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ESF Tsing Yi Terrible

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    ESF Tsing Yi Terrible

    My son's been going to ESF Tsing Yi kindy for the past month. I've already witnessed numerous accounts of children aggression toward one another without any supervision from the teachers or teacher assistants (including hitting each other with metal toys, throwing toys at each others' heads, pushing and shoving, etc.), but this morning was the last straw. I left my son at the gate where he lines up and goes upstairs to his classroom following his teacher. Parents are not allowed inside. He walks up two flights by himself. Between the first and second flights there is a landing with a window were most children will stop and wave to their mommies and daddies standing outside. My son waved at me and I waved back. Then, a girl came and stood next to him. She was also waving. Suddenly, for no apparent reason, she turned and pushed my son HARD until he almost fell down. She then pinched his nose and cheek before pushing him again twice. I could see my little guy was in shock. He didn't defend himself, but just stood there. Eventually, he turned and resumed his climb up to his classroom.

    No teacher saw this, and no one came to stop it. It leaves me to wonder: what if she pushed him hard enough for him to fall down the stairs? What goes on when no one is watching?

    From my count, the kindy certainly has more than a few teacher assistants walking around. I think for K1, they have at least 8 assistants and 4 teachers. Where were they? How can they leave children to go up and down stairs without watching? What if someone is seriously hurt?

    Further, how can I teach my little guy to not be a bully when he is on the receiving end of such aggression? No one came to say "hey, that was not right". No one even saw it. I will have to discuss with him when he comes home today.

    Needless to say, I am a bit upset over this. I am not understanding what the fuss over ESF is about. Seems to me the kindergartens (at least this one) is not special, if not a little subpar.


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    Talk to the school, talk to the teachers, express your concerns ...


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    With one particular incident you cant say that ESF tsing Yi is terrible.It might be a bad day.A girl unknowingly pushed your child thats so common in starting phase..I can understand your concern towards your child but for every 30 students in class they cant have 15 teachers or EA to take them upstairs.Slowly child will learn how to handle such situation & to be careful in any phase.Its just beginning of a phase when the child is learning to cope with outside world.

    Still you can talk to teachers there & ask to look after your child.But believe me i have seen they really take Good care of kids.


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    I saw same incident

    I saw similar incident. It may even be the same nasty little girl. I was at orientation day, and a new little girl snatched a toy from another little boy quite aggressively, so the little boy defended his toy and tried to keep hold of it (good for him!), then the girl pursued to aggressively push him away until he was thrown a few feet away, the boy again tried to defend his toy, the girl, would have none of it and became even more aggressive and shoved the boy until he fell to the floor, then the boy again defended his ground (good boy!), but the girl was bigger and a lot more aggressive, and proceeded to aggressively shove him again and again until it was an alright war between the two. But this is not the worse thing, the worst thing was that the mother was standing right there watching this happen is did nothing!!! I repeat NOTHING! I was aghast. With what you saw, I think I might write to the principal! My daughter is there. And by the way, the kindergarten is ordinary, nothing special, regular toys etc. However, i must say, my daughters teacher is lovely and ace and I happy to leave her there for now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aadu
    With one particular incident you cant say that ESF tsing Yi is terrible.It might be a bad day.A girl unknowingly pushed your child thats so common in starting phase..I can understand your concern towards your child but for every 30 students in class they cant have 15 teachers or EA to take them upstairs.Slowly child will learn how to handle such situation & to be careful in any phase.Its just beginning of a phase when the child is learning to cope with outside world.

    Still you can talk to teachers there & ask to look after your child.But believe me i have seen they really take Good care of kids.
    I am not asking to have 15 teachers take them up the stairs. I am asking them to post one EA in the stairwell when the children are ascending/descending. And as for the "one incident" and "having a bad day", I've seen my fair share of bad things happening between the kids at the kindy in the past three weeks. I know kids will do things that are not courteous, but I was hoping that the school would teach them to do better. I'm just not seeing it happening.

    BTW, the girl did not "unknowingly" push my child. She deliberately and with force pushed him, pinched him, and pushed him again. That is not what I call "unknowing".

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    Hi hear you lily1221. I am on the same page as you. And it does concern me. There are some kids there without any parenting. Its mainly the parents fault, but you are right, they should have an EA on the stairs as it is dangerous. It does concern me, but you are saying you have witnessed this several times? That is what concerns me. I have seen snatching and aggression too. On orientation day, i saw snatching hundreds of times and none of the teachers stopped it, they were too busy "teaching", but I am teaching my child that No sntaching is allowed and that if someone snatches from her, then she should take her toy back. Honestly, I dont know if there will be much difference between ESF and any other int'l school and the kids are unparented/undisciplined. I see it a lot on the playground, so the best thing is to just teach my kids to stand up for themselves.


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    these are kids. kids do kids things. it'll happen in every school.


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    yes, kids are kids, but they need to be taught that there are limits and boundaries! are you suggesting you leave them to it and do nothing? If so, when do teach them that hitting and shoving is wrong? When they are 21???
    if all the kids are left to hit each other, then they think that is normal and this behaviour can persist into and beyond adulthood. Why do you think some households are physically abusive??? where does adult violence come from??


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    I agree kids are kids and they do these kinds of things. I also agree it most definitely happens in every school. What my concern is revolves around how the school reacts in these types of situations. That makes the difference. Schools are set up to educate children. That is their sole purpose and that's why parents send kids there. If a school cannot educate its students against bad behavior, then what is the point, really?


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    Things happen at every school at every age. And to an extent probably even more with children of a very young age who still need to develop proper social skills. I agree there should be better supervision, but they only way to achieve that is to talk to the school (the principal, the teacher, etc.) and to address the issue. Also, within ESF, there are children with special needs, more than most other mainstream schools, so this child may have certain issues we (and you) do not know of. However and again, that doesn't mean that supervision most likely couldn't be improved. But by not knowing the entire situation and the set up it's best to talk directly to the school. A good school would be responsive to your concerns, and at least look into the issue further. Every school has children who won't behave properly, and as long as you don't have 1 on 1 (and even then) as a teacher or an EA you won't see everything, no matter what. But by stressing your concerns and looking into improvements together with the school you should be able to go forward.

    Have you talked to the teacher, an EA or the principal about this? And if so, what was their response? If not, you should do that first, because a "terrible" child doesn't make a "terrible" school (and thank god for that) ...

    Plus ... a school can only educate with the help of parents. School and parents have to work together. As parents we're responsible for our share. We cannot expect the school to be the sole educator of our children. What we do at home, affects our children at school, and the other way around. The fact that a child doesn't behave at school, is not only the school's fault. They can only do so much.

    Last edited by MommyTo3; 18-09-2012 at 11:36 PM.
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